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The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby spider25160 » 10 Feb 2019, 18:55

peatop wrote:
Brokers are in the game, they know whats going on day to day, why wouldn't you at least get Free advice, before one of your biggest investments in your life? ;)


Just so long as they are not FAKE brokers ie; bank employees not comparing a suitable depth of available products from a variety of sources.
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby CrazyChenski » 10 Feb 2019, 23:35

For my worth the two cents.....

On the flip side of the story I have some different experiences.

10+ yeasr ago, when I got my first proper home, I don't have the brain nor the patience to walk to different bank and listen to every package and deals they have. So I went with a reputable broker (Loan Market) because like most of people.
I was pretty happy, in a way because he cut through the crap gave me the advice and help me navigate all the paperwork and etc to get me the, loan and finally bought my first house. He has been very helpful all the way to the end, but then i never heard from him again.
A few years later wife and I was thinking to purchase an investment property, I thought to contact the same broke again for assistance and advice, since he has done a good job. He was of course happy and keen to help. However, while we were exploring the option, he informed me that this time I will require to pay an upfront fee to him. I questioned the reason as of all of the other broker never ask for upfront fee, and he said and I quote, "This is to cover extra costs, as the bank don't pay me as good used to me.". And of course, I walked away from the whole conversation after that, and never spoken to the broker again.

Fast forward to Late November 2018. Wife and I planned to refinance our loan for the purpose of getting better rate and possible redraw the loan a bit to do some TLC to the house and possible to help out possible new purchase at end of 2019. A family friend's relative whom is a broker was to help this time. We told him our plan and at the end of it, he advised us to switch to BOQ with the lowest interest rate, but downside of exit fee which we are fully aware. We put our application in just before we flew off to Japan for our annual holiday. While we were on the road, we got a email from the broker advising the "Bank" has advised due to policy changes they reduced the loan account we requested, and also indicated there will be cir. $2000 of interest/exit fees (which is surprising to us as we were advised $300 exit fee, and also $200-400 for application fee)........
After spoken to the broke, ultimately he didn't know about the bank's policy that do not allow us above certain threshold (consider he is the one whom highly recommend the package, I am surprised he didn't know) and he couldn't clearly explain to us why the "Interest/exit fee" is basically double what he first advised us.......

While discussing this with a work colleague over coffee, who happen to hear my conversation, he told me i should seek 2nd opinion as he has different experiences with his broker, whom actually calls him up regularly and inform him of a better deal that might be worth of him to re-finance,
Sure enough, I spoke to his broker, he has been extremely helpful. In fact, he advised instead of re-finance the loan with BOQ, he can re-negotiate with ANZ to re-finance the loan AND get me better rate, with no extra fees. Just this week, my application for re-finance has been approved and the rate has been re-negotiated to just below 4%.
Upon discussion with this broker regarding to previous person's advice, he indicated although he don't know what was the reasoning or logic of the broker's advice was, but he believed previous broker did not did anything wrong. But, he believes the only possible reasoning previous adviced to re-finance to different bank, is to allow the new broker to earn the full commission of the loan. So for my case this time, the new broker, Gary ,indicated that he most likely will only be paid commission on the extra loan portion and also maybe condition on if I did spend the extra money i draws out of the loan)



Three different loan brokers, 3 different experiences:
1st Broker: Extremely helpful... up till loan been executed. Didn't hear from him again until contacted for more business.
2nd Broker: Badly adviced. Don't know his product (or maybe has own agenda, not for the benefit of the client. eg. One bank pays betetr than other bank, ).
3rd broker: Extremely helpful, and also keep onto of the product and policies. Also regular keep in contact with his clientele.

There are good brokers, and there are bad brokers. Just like the Financial Planning sectors, a few bad examples will give a bad taste in people;s mouth.
Base on my experiences...... They do need a bit of shakeup. But the extend of this shakeup ? I don't agree but I can understand the logic of it.
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby maverick » 12 Feb 2019, 09:37

Start a thread and just drop off LoL. I will reply - lots going on in the background to try and ensure we have a viable business model and I can actually retire one day. Thanks for the input, I will reply... Just focusing on the dollar prodictive activities at the moment.
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby peatop » 13 May 2019, 13:41

Today i received this email, and im not impressed with this issue being used as an advertising event by the current government. This is an important issue and should not be used for leverage in an election.

"Dear Peter

I write to follow up on your concerns about mortgage broking.

The Government has agreed to take action on all 76 recommendations made by Commissioner Hayne. In doing so, we have recognised the contribution the mortgage broking sector makes to competition and providing many Australians with a valuable service.

Mortgage brokers provide consumers more choice when it comes to obtaining a mortgage and support smaller lenders who are otherwise unable to compete with the big banks. The Coalition Government wants more mortgage brokers not less.

Mortgage brokers are an integral part of Australia’s financial system and help keep the prices of mortgages down. We want to work in partnership with the sector to make it stronger, not weaker.

That is why the Government has decided not to prohibit trail commissions on new loans as recommended by Commissioner Hayne but rather review how they are operating in three years’ time, to assess the effectiveness of the “best interest duty”.

Given that most mortgage brokers act in the customer’s best interest today, we are hoping that the introduction of a best interest duty will ensure that any conflicts are managed appropriately and the remuneration structures that exist today will be permitted after the review.

Unfortunately this issue is not bi-partisan. The Labor party is committed to banning trail commissions next year, replacing them with a fixed higher upfront fee which will hurt competition, consumer outcomes and mortgage brokers.

I believe Labor’s rushed “one-size fits all” approach will not properly reward brokers for the value they add and the work they do. At the next election, there will be a clear choice between a Coalition Government that wants the mortgage broking industry to thrive and the Labor Party that will allow the industry to be destroyed by the big banks.

It is an honour to stand up and deliver for the people of Corangamite. Now that early voting has commenced for the election to be held on 18 May 2019, I would greatly appreciate your support so that I can continue to work hard on your behalf. Please let me know if ever I can assist you or your family on any other issue.

Please let me know if ever I can assist you or your family on any other issue.

Kind regards, Sarah

The Hon Sarah Henderson MP
Assistant Minister for Social Services, Housing and Disability Services
Federal Member for Corangamite"

Anyone get a similar reply from the opposition? Oh by the way the 18th is my birthday an im not fu#king it up by going to vote :lol: :o
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby maverick » 13 May 2019, 20:09

Why shouldn't it be used? Helps me determine who I am going to vote for.
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby peatop » 14 May 2019, 10:39

maverick wrote:Why shouldn't it be used? Helps me determine who I am going to vote for.

I didnt sign the petition to have my email address used for political advertising, however i do support any effort to stop the banks having control over home and business loans :up:
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Re: The Royal Commission - what it means to home loan owners

Postby maverick » 14 May 2019, 11:03

Interestingly I haven't received that email and I signed the petition. But I understand your point.
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